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  • 1 Jun 2025 6:44 AM
    Message # 13505382
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I haven't been in this scenario before.

    I have a queen less hive that is fairly well honey bound. (single Deep)

    I picked up a SG queen for them.

    Do I need to make space for her to lay or will the bees do it themselves?

    Add a box or add open comb or let it ride?

    Last modified: 1 Jun 2025 6:46 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 2 Jun 2025 12:28 PM
    Reply # 13505892 on 13505382

    When this has happened to me, the queen had been gone for a while (there's no brood left in the hive) so they just fade away. I just let them keep storing honey and remove the capped frames until there's just a handful or so of bees left.

    I've also heard that bees in that situation, left on their own a few weeks, might not accept a new queen. It might make more sense to take some frames with bees & brood from another colony and make a resource hive with your new queen, or just split it.

    If you want to try to re-queen that hive, then yes, replace some of those honey bound frames with fresh ones with comb, and also transfer over a frame or two with brood from another hive. Since the original queen has been gone a while, the existing bees might not live long enough for the new brood the new queen lays to hatch. The honey bound frames I'd either extract or freeze until ready to extract, or freeze and feed back to them for the winter.

  • 2 Jun 2025 10:08 PM
    Reply # 13506054 on 13505382

    Rick, in the scenario you described, I think there are two possibilities: 

    1. the colony is hopelessly queenless but there are no laying workers ( you will not see any eggs present on the comb)

    2.the colony is hopelessly queenless and there are laying workers ( you will find eggs on the comb, but they are often multiple in each cell, not centered, attached to a wall or some similar, abnormal laying pattern; those eggs are not fertilized and will develop into drones)

    In scenario  #1, there is a good chance a new queen will be accepted ( I would still use queen introductory cage or something similar when introducing a new queen to them) Also, as Laurie suggested, I would make sure the newly-introduced queen has some frames of empty drawn comb where to lay eggs and some boost of nurse bees from another colony to take care of the new brood.

    In scenario number 2, your new queen is NOT likely to be accepted. If the colony is small, you may just let them collect and process nectar, as Laurie suggested, and let them dwindle to extinction. ( You are risking the colony will be robbed out, however).  Or just shake the bees out into the grass and distribute the frames into good colonies

    -or, in case the laying workers colony is large, you can combine it with a strong, queen-right colony by placing them on top of it over the newspaper. The queen-right colony should be strong enough to "take care" and "overpower"  the laying workers. The queen-right colony essentially restores order in the dysfunctional laying workers colony. This way you boost the queen-right colony and not lose the laying worker colony.

    I have dealt with laying workers colonies before, in both ways described. Text me if you have more questions!

    Last modified: 2 Jun 2025 10:21 PM | Anonymous member
  • 3 Jun 2025 6:50 AM
    Reply # 13506169 on 13505382
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    No eggs at all (come to think of it there were some capped Drone brood but not much) just some grubs in a few wonky cells. I saw this in another hive as well. The hive is packed with honey, and there are goofy looking half built queen cells with grubs that the bees are not taking care of/protecting. I suspect uncapped drones.

    Were these attempts to make a queen from an unfertilized egg?

    I have not seen multiple eggs situation yet.

    This feels really weird, I visit them, they are strong, a month later they are queenless and honey bound. I am not seeing this in my other yards. I suspect someone is messing with my bees, (many people have access to this location). This has happened with EVERY hive I have placed there, it is no longer coincidental. I think I will abandon this yard for now.

    If I put another hive in that yard I need to put a trail cam on it.....

    I put a box of drawn comb under the full single they were in so she has a place to lay when they get her out of the cage. The candy was half ate yesterday, she'll be out today. looking good.

    Looking at moving the bees tonight, get them where I can keep an eye on them.

    Last modified: 3 Jun 2025 2:11 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
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